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having an agreement to avoid the debt, the fiscal cliff, and then having a down payment on actually getting the $4 trillion identified. >> howard dean is a deficit hawk. liberal, but he is a deficit hawk. he doesn't say maybe if we can't get a deal together, maybe we'd be okay with the fiscal cliff. he says that is the best deal for everyone, the best deal for progressives, just to do it. to go back to the clinton era rates. you get rid of three quarters of the deficit just on tax increases at that point. >> and he says you get defense cuts. >> you can't get defense cuts any other way. and he's not the only one. there's a lot of people on the left and there's quite a few people on the right. i'm glad you're optimistic and a lot of ceos and guys in your position -- if you run a company, you don't need consumers petrified and business people petrified. this is the last thing we need if you run a company. i understand you have a horse in the game. >> but you also have the double trigger. if you go over the cliff, we've got the debt ceiling fight right afterwards. it's not like that's six month
having an agreement to avoid the debt, the fiscal cliff, and then having a down payment on actually getting the $4 trillion identified. >> howard dean is a deficit hawk. liberal, but he is a deficit hawk. he doesn't say maybe if we can't get a deal together, maybe we'd be okay with the fiscal cliff. he says that is the best deal for everyone, the best deal for progressives, just to do it. to go back to the clinton era rates. you get rid of three quarters of the deficit just on tax...
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keep it out of the fiscal cliff stuff. do we raise the retirement age to ease our debt? >>> treasury secretary tim geithner will speak later to steve leisman about the fiscal cliff talks. we'll have a preview and discuss what traders want to hear. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! oh...there you go. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! i'm gonna stand up to her! no you're not. i know. you know ronny folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than a witch in a broom factory. get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you one-to-one. together for your future. ♪ >>> goldman sachs earlier today cutting its outlook for gold and prices are closing right now. we have about a $2 loss in
keep it out of the fiscal cliff stuff. do we raise the retirement age to ease our debt? >>> treasury secretary tim geithner will speak later to steve leisman about the fiscal cliff talks. we'll have a preview and discuss what traders want to hear. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! oh...there you go. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! i'm gonna stand up to her! no you're not. i know. you know ronny folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than...
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and number two, do you believe we're going over the fiscal cliff? what are the implications for our children if we don't get our arms around the zmet redebt? real quick two questions. >> hello? >> maya? maya, are you with me? >> hey, folks. >> unbelievable. two important questions for maya. we're going to get those answers from maya. i really want to get out there what it means for our children because getting our arms around the debt is quite important and whether or not we need to cut medicare. we'll get her answers when we come back. meantime, let's slip in a short break. then we have ranking republican on the senate banking committee, richard shelby in the shohouse. she's goi he's going to be up next on his reaction from the geithner interview. stay with us. busy hour. well, if it isn't mr. margin. mr. margin? don't be modest, bob. you found a better way to pack a bowling ball. that was ups. and who called ups? you did, bob. i just asked a question. it takes a long time to pack a bowling ball. the last guy pitched more ball packers. but you... y
and number two, do you believe we're going over the fiscal cliff? what are the implications for our children if we don't get our arms around the zmet redebt? real quick two questions. >> hello? >> maya? maya, are you with me? >> hey, folks. >> unbelievable. two important questions for maya. we're going to get those answers from maya. i really want to get out there what it means for our children because getting our arms around the debt is quite important and whether or...
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very soon after this fiscal cliff issue moves forward, we're going to be moving forward on the debt ceiling debate. you have said you do not agree with president obama that he basically wants to take this debt ceiling debate off the table and this no barriers. why? >> it's like taking the limits off a teenager daughter's credit card. if you don't have limits you're going to spend forever. if the president didn't have limits, didn't have to come to us, work out an agreement, spending goes on forever, debt and deficit, pretty soon -- >> play with people's lives every couple of years on this debt ceiling. look, i want this, otherwise i'm not going to prove it. >> don't play with lives but pocketbook of american people. time we stopped spending so much. debt cap is like credit card cap, it works. >> there's been a suggestion where he need to reduce mortgage interest deduction, a million dollars. should that come down. >> you shouldn't never pick one deduction out and say that's where i'm going to do it. i favor capping on a means test. for example, if you're in the top 2%, maybe maximum deducti
very soon after this fiscal cliff issue moves forward, we're going to be moving forward on the debt ceiling debate. you have said you do not agree with president obama that he basically wants to take this debt ceiling debate off the table and this no barriers. why? >> it's like taking the limits off a teenager daughter's credit card. if you don't have limits you're going to spend forever. if the president didn't have limits, didn't have to come to us, work out an agreement, spending goes...
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limit increase. >> john harwood, thank you. >>> let's see where we do stand on the fiscal cliff deal. let's look at our "rise above" meter. time to stop talking and start actle. we were at a half-way point, now back to a quarter on the "rise above" meter, closing to no deal than deal. >>> lawmakers trying to solve the fiscal cliff issue. police trying to solve a burglary at the home of california congressman darrel issa. according to reports, more than 50 pieces of jewelry worth about $100,000 were stolen from the congressman's home on november 29th. watches, earrings, rings, bracelets involved and what issa spokesperson calls irreplaceable family air looms. >>> to the jobs report today. super storm sandy slammed the east coast but it looks like it didn't have all that much impact on the labor market. november jobs numbers coming in much stronger than expected. steve leisman who's had a very busy week here to talk about the numbers and put it in context for us. >> hi, sue. no substantive sandy in the jobs numbers. the lack of sandy effect has us scratching our heads, what they said.
limit increase. >> john harwood, thank you. >>> let's see where we do stand on the fiscal cliff deal. let's look at our "rise above" meter. time to stop talking and start actle. we were at a half-way point, now back to a quarter on the "rise above" meter, closing to no deal than deal. >>> lawmakers trying to solve the fiscal cliff issue. police trying to solve a burglary at the home of california congressman darrel issa. according to reports, more...
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what do americans, average americans, want to see in a fiscal cliff deal? steve leisman here now with our exclusive results of the cnbc all-america economic survey. what do americans want, steve? >> what you would expect. free stuff, tyler. actually, no, we'll get into that in a second. first we want to show you results of our december cnbc all-america survey. what we asked about the fiscal cliff. the first thing we wanted to establish is do people know about this thing? we looked at some of the other times we've asked this. what we'll see right here is other situations where they knew it, where other main stories that were out there. for example, the trayvon martin shooting. 91% of americans knew about that. occupy wall street, 80%. going forward what you have here, facebook, 72%. all the way down to 70%. you can look at this a couple ways. here's the greek financial crisis. 30% of the public not really paying attention to. inside that 70% number, 36% have know a lot about it. we'll compare with other stuff we asked last time about when they had a debt --
what do americans, average americans, want to see in a fiscal cliff deal? steve leisman here now with our exclusive results of the cnbc all-america economic survey. what do americans want, steve? >> what you would expect. free stuff, tyler. actually, no, we'll get into that in a second. first we want to show you results of our december cnbc all-america survey. what we asked about the fiscal cliff. the first thing we wanted to establish is do people know about this thing? we looked at some...
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the fiscal cliff, the chairman and vice chairman will join us first on "squawk" to talk about the debt negotiations. at 8:30 eastern the weekly job numbers. and a disruptor, applico founder and ceo alex moazed will join us at the bottom of the hour. becky if you interview him it's moazed so if it's wrong stick with that so no one will know. we shed $35 million of market as well mopping the reasons cited by analysts a forecast by an influential research firm suggesting the iphone iphone is giving up to google's headlines. apple accounts for the entirely of the mass dnasdaq's fall of 1. apple is enjoying its best day since early last week. didn't close on its highs but equities up 8% points or so. futures back in positive territory, up 15 and down and up five or so. everybody's watching what's going on in d.c. overnight in asia it was mixed but not big moves sni where, japan had a good day and in europe we have green roar rows yesterday morning which pour tended good things for us here, germany doing the best. >> as expect the bank of england and european central banks left their ratings
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we've got to address the cliff. we've got to raise the debt ceiling. and most importantly, we need long-term deficit reduction to get the fiscal sustainability. so, they've got a lot more to do than simply working on the -- >> i agree with that. in fact, the way i put it which is what i meant which is the resolution of the cliff. but i don't think the cliff gets resolved until we resolve the tax rate issue and then the other parts can follow. >> that makes sense. >> there's an editorial, op-ed in "the times" today that says do you know what, it's an aging society. that aging society means higher payments out to the wealthy -- to the elderly from the government. higher medicare spending, higher retirement spending, and especially something we have to get used to and we're going to have to bump up the share of the economy, that is, from the government because that's the way we're going to have to live if we want to take care of the elderly. mark, is that a reality? does that mean higher -- i'm sorry, lower long-term growth rates for the economy? >> well,
we've got to address the cliff. we've got to raise the debt ceiling. and most importantly, we need long-term deficit reduction to get the fiscal sustainability. so, they've got a lot more to do than simply working on the -- >> i agree with that. in fact, the way i put it which is what i meant which is the resolution of the cliff. but i don't think the cliff gets resolved until we resolve the tax rate issue and then the other parts can follow. >> that makes sense. >> there's an...
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we have breaking news on the fiscal cliff negotiations. john harwood with the details. over to you, john. >> maria, just wanted to bring you up to date on a development, which is the resumption of some staff level discussions between the congress, the speaker's office in particular, and the white house. we've been through a period where both sides, the principa s principals, the speaker and president have been striking tough lines in public, having made some initial moves towards cooperation, but word followed up no more meetings scheduled between the principals. wasn't that much going on staff to staff. that's changed today from yesterday. to you have some discussions resumed. i don't want to overplay the significance, but it is an encouraging sign for people who think that the ice had been beginning to crack around some of the positions, especially with the republicans on taxes. we may be looking for some forward movement. got to watch over the next day or so. >> this is good news, john. >> it is good news. it is an indication that we may be intensifying discussions t
we have breaking news on the fiscal cliff negotiations. john harwood with the details. over to you, john. >> maria, just wanted to bring you up to date on a development, which is the resumption of some staff level discussions between the congress, the speaker's office in particular, and the white house. we've been through a period where both sides, the principa s principals, the speaker and president have been striking tough lines in public, having made some initial moves towards...
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if we get through that, we got the debt ceiling -- man we can fix the fiscal cliff. we're going to hype -- i can't wait for the debt ceiling now. man is that going to be something, too. that's going to be our next thing. >> constant entertainment. >> oh, talk about it. >> you've got -- you think this is brinksmanship. when is the deadline? i can't wait. >> it's february, right? the beginning of february. >> what's the slogan for that? >> let me come up with that. >> negotiate up. >> we don't want this to end with the fiscal cliff. we got -- and it won't. anyway -- >> how about the s&p 500? >> coming up the hunt for yield at times of uncertainty. institutional investors looking for alternatives to the lower return on fixed income. we're going to talk to the north carolina treasurer and the co-founder of investment firm cambridge associated. >> over president barack obama's first term the federal debt to gdp ratio increased over 19%. it is projected to increase over 20% by the end of his second term. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. monarch of marketing analy
if we get through that, we got the debt ceiling -- man we can fix the fiscal cliff. we're going to hype -- i can't wait for the debt ceiling now. man is that going to be something, too. that's going to be our next thing. >> constant entertainment. >> oh, talk about it. >> you've got -- you think this is brinksmanship. when is the deadline? i can't wait. >> it's february, right? the beginning of february. >> what's the slogan for that? >> let me come up with...
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most of that is because of fiscal cliff. can you see here the current probability, 28.5% we'll have a recession in the next 12 months. we had a low in march of almost 20%. that compares with a high. remember the debt ceiling debate of 36%. that chance going up. i want to show you in detail what dan greenhouse wrote in with his response in the survey. if the cliff is triggered and the cuts/tax increases remain in place for several weeks or worse, several months, it's hard to construct a scenario where the u.s. economy is not in recession. this is what's interesting here. recovering from that recession is not as simple as fixing the cliff's issues. the u.s. economy is not a light switch. you don't turn it back on. so the question, will we go over the cliff? on the first, looks like no, we won't go over. we'll avoid it. 41% say, yes, we'll go over, 46% say we won't. look at this, 13% don't know. we talk about uncertainty in the economy. i would add 41% who say we're going over with the 13% who say we don't know. that's 54% righ
most of that is because of fiscal cliff. can you see here the current probability, 28.5% we'll have a recession in the next 12 months. we had a low in march of almost 20%. that compares with a high. remember the debt ceiling debate of 36%. that chance going up. i want to show you in detail what dan greenhouse wrote in with his response in the survey. if the cliff is triggered and the cuts/tax increases remain in place for several weeks or worse, several months, it's hard to construct a scenario...
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ceiling worries, fiscal cliff worries. we know there will be a little bit less money in the economy because even if we get a deal, we know tax rates are going up. so i wonder, even if a deal with done, i wonder how much umph the market -- it really gets from that knowing that we're headed into just troubled waters for most of 2013, i would say. there's this notion we have all this trillions of dollars on corporate balance sheets. and it's just going to be unleashed. i wonder how much that's offset by the damage already being done. >> no, certainly, and that may be priced in just like you said. but i do think we will see a bump up here on the equity markets and some thin volume. hopefully we see santa claus reality, but to speak specifically to be shorter investment, if you see some type of resolution, there will be a knee jerk reaction. look at the s&p level, 1460. we could go test that in two days, joe. it's not that far away from where we're at right now. >> you just look at what's happening in apple, all the people that
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. >> let's talk about the fiscal cliff. also on the radar this morning, after president obama and house speaker john boehner both were tight-lipped how the negotiations went. the co-founder of the fix the debt campaign, he was asked about the chances of striking a deal to avoid the cliff. >> it's probably more like a 40% chance we'll actually get it done before the end of the year. probably 25% chance we'll get it done right after the end of the year. and then there's that horrible 35% chance that we'll still go over the cliff and have pure chaos. but i think the chances of getting it done now are better. i think that's what's key. >> be sure to tune in tomorrow for the fiscal cliff coverage live from washington. mission critical, rise above d.c., all day long. becky quick, jim cramer, maria bartiromo holding their feet to the fire about where they stand on the fiscal cliff and how they'll do their part to rise above partisan politics and reach a deal. now, there are some bowles comments. 40%, yeah, but the odds are much be
. >> let's talk about the fiscal cliff. also on the radar this morning, after president obama and house speaker john boehner both were tight-lipped how the negotiations went. the co-founder of the fix the debt campaign, he was asked about the chances of striking a deal to avoid the cliff. >> it's probably more like a 40% chance we'll actually get it done before the end of the year. probably 25% chance we'll get it done right after the end of the year. and then there's that horrible...
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the real fiscal cliff is what happens if we don't strike a good deal, that actually deals with our debt and deficit. and that's when the credit markets, capital markets will really respond. i'm far more concerned about that than i am the deadline at the end of the year. >> a lot of discussion about boehner's caucus. not just in the house so much, but even in the senate. this is a quote from jeff sessions today. washington has become possessed by the idea that a small group of negotiators meeting in secret can solve the deep, painful and systemic problems plaguing this country. this is a siren song. do you think the process here at large is flawed? >> well, i don't know that you would get anything better if you had both bodies working on it in total. we are where we are. i think the best chance we have now are for the negotiators to strike a deal and put that on the floor of the house and the senate. >> of course, last time, speaker boehner did a deal with obama. it was actually rejected by the rest of the gop, and the whole thing fell apart. how significant is it as boehner looks to mak
the real fiscal cliff is what happens if we don't strike a good deal, that actually deals with our debt and deficit. and that's when the credit markets, capital markets will really respond. i'm far more concerned about that than i am the deadline at the end of the year. >> a lot of discussion about boehner's caucus. not just in the house so much, but even in the senate. this is a quote from jeff sessions today. washington has become possessed by the idea that a small group of negotiators...
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a lot of people have been drawing similarities between the current fiscal cliff negotiations and that debt ceiling standoff from last year. so we have one former insider who joins us right now. he's been through this before. he probably knows how to read the signs better than just about anybody out there. bill daley was the white house chief of staff under president obama during the debt ceiling negotiations last year. mr. daley, thank you very much for joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> reporter: we were just trying to figure out what to make of this. all morning long we've been saying it's relatively good news that we haven't within hearing from the principalprincipals. what does it mean now that speaker boehner is going to be addressing the house at noon. >> i think it's a strong sign there is movement. i don't know that. i'm not on the inside. i don't know what's going on. i doubt the speaker is going to stand up and speak to the body and say nothing's happening and we're not going anywhere and just give a partisan speech. so i'm hopeful that that's what this mea
a lot of people have been drawing similarities between the current fiscal cliff negotiations and that debt ceiling standoff from last year. so we have one former insider who joins us right now. he's been through this before. he probably knows how to read the signs better than just about anybody out there. bill daley was the white house chief of staff under president obama during the debt ceiling negotiations last year. mr. daley, thank you very much for joining us this morning. >> thanks...
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cliff. the speaker set to given a update out state of negotiations with the white house in two hours. we will bring brink that to you live t did the mark it's job to deal of what happened with ben bernanke's comments and now the target in terms of tying interest rates to unemployment, which is a very new and big development for the fed. >> cnbc is talking over and over again, 2 million jobs to be lost, not if but when we go over the cliff. ben bernanke is listening to what this network is saying, recognizing there is going to be a dram mat hillsborough county job loss if we go over the cliff that is force austerity, that is firing people. look at spain when they got serious. italy. it meant a lot of firings. he says i see what we are going to do follow these countries that have fiscal responsibility a lot of people are going to be fired. don't worry, i'm going to do my best. what what are you going to do to keep people employed? >> keeping the heat on congress, came up a number of times, of
cliff. the speaker set to given a update out state of negotiations with the white house in two hours. we will bring brink that to you live t did the mark it's job to deal of what happened with ben bernanke's comments and now the target in terms of tying interest rates to unemployment, which is a very new and big development for the fed. >> cnbc is talking over and over again, 2 million jobs to be lost, not if but when we go over the cliff. ben bernanke is listening to what this network is...
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because they see that if they don't want the debt ceiling to be part of the this fiscal cliff fight. they want to talk about it next year, and they see that as a way to be able to force the president to agree to more spending cuts and entitlement changes that he would otherwise not want to maybe agree to, soledad. but bottom line is, we're still watching them fight in public, which as you well know, the more they're fighting in public, the less they're talking behind the scenes. >> but maybe not. the fact they're not talking about anything they discuss on the phone call, i actually see that as a little ray of hope, right? like let's move it away from the cameras and get some serious work done. >> i will agree with you. >> hope springs eternal. >> i will agree with you. take that sliver of hope and i'll be back here telling you there's no progress. >> kate is an optimist and so am i. thanks, kate. appreciate it. zoraida sambolin has a look at some of the other news. >>> the bodies of two young cousins missing since the summer have been found by hunters in a wooded area in iowa. 10-yea
because they see that if they don't want the debt ceiling to be part of the this fiscal cliff fight. they want to talk about it next year, and they see that as a way to be able to force the president to agree to more spending cuts and entitlement changes that he would otherwise not want to maybe agree to, soledad. but bottom line is, we're still watching them fight in public, which as you well know, the more they're fighting in public, the less they're talking behind the scenes. >> but...
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right now you don't owe taxes on the forgiven debt. on the other side of the fiscal cliff you do. it gives homeowners a tax break on unpaid mortgage debt and expires on december 31st unless congress acts. >> the average amount that homeowners are short in a short sale is $95,000. if this tax break goes away as part of the so-called fiscal cliff, those homeowners could be taxed on that $95,000 as additional income starting in 2013. >> how much homeowners will owe in taxes on that amount depending on the tax bracket they're in. on average it would be between 20 to $25,000. the banks have an extra incentive to stel short and absorb the loss. under the national mortgage settlement act that went into effect earlier this year, the nation's biggest lenders get a credit for short sales as a form of foreclosure relief. foreclosures sell for $3700 less than homes via short sale. as we near the fiscal cliff you could expect short sales jump more as homeowners look it to aavoid gigt hit with tacks and bankss with foreclosed prormts. if we go over the cliff, the tax bill homeowners face with a
right now you don't owe taxes on the forgiven debt. on the other side of the fiscal cliff you do. it gives homeowners a tax break on unpaid mortgage debt and expires on december 31st unless congress acts. >> the average amount that homeowners are short in a short sale is $95,000. if this tax break goes away as part of the so-called fiscal cliff, those homeowners could be taxed on that $95,000 as additional income starting in 2013. >> how much homeowners will owe in taxes on that...
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now fears about the fiscal cliff and america's $16.3 trillion debt are pushing some, seen here, to renounce the pledge. i have been highlighting members of congress who said they are getting over grover. one of those members is tom cole of oklahoma. he signed the pledge and says he's not bound by it anymore. representative cole, a month ago you wrote allowing taxes to rise for just the top bracket may seem an acceptable middle ground by comparison. but this path would be enormously damaging to the economy, which meant you weren't going to do it. now you have been urnling your fellow congressmen to at least extend the bush era tax cuts to those making less than $250,000 and then do battle over tax cuts for the wealthy later. what changed your mind? >> first of all, nothing changed my mind. frankly you mischaracterized my position. i'm not for raising tax rates on anybody. i don't think it's a good idea. bad for the economy. going to slow down, hurt rates. that's my position, not because i signed a pledge. that's what i believe. what i have said is we agree with the president that taxes on 98
now fears about the fiscal cliff and america's $16.3 trillion debt are pushing some, seen here, to renounce the pledge. i have been highlighting members of congress who said they are getting over grover. one of those members is tom cole of oklahoma. he signed the pledge and says he's not bound by it anymore. representative cole, a month ago you wrote allowing taxes to rise for just the top bracket may seem an acceptable middle ground by comparison. but this path would be enormously damaging to...
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the white house thinks of the debt ceiling as part three of a three-step solution to the fiscal cliff. they are asking that any deal that they cut with the republicans include some mechanism that is a permanent solution to avoid a debt ceiling nightmare, like we had last year. here's what president obama said when he spoke to business ceos about this earlier today. >> i want to send a very clear message to people here, we are not going to play that game next year. if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history, until we did it last year, i will not play that game. because we have got to break that habit before it starts. >> reporter: so just to be very clear, the white house sees this as three steps. a fiscal deal would include, one, some measure that would raise revenue. tax raising. two, a sequester, that's all those budget cuts that are going to kick in, some way to save money through spending cuts, prob
the white house thinks of the debt ceiling as part three of a three-step solution to the fiscal cliff. they are asking that any deal that they cut with the republicans include some mechanism that is a permanent solution to avoid a debt ceiling nightmare, like we had last year. here's what president obama said when he spoke to business ceos about this earlier today. >> i want to send a very clear message to people here, we are not going to play that game next year. if congress in any way...
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>> here's the deal, first of all for the audience, we talk about the fiscal cliff, it involves three things. first of all it deals with the bush tax cuts set to expire in december. it also deals with the debt ceiling, sequestration, there's three parts to it. the president is consistently saying i talked to people in his administration, saying look we want to deal first just with the tax cuts. republicans want to add the other pieces to it because they know it's hard to defend fighting for the tax cuts for the top 2%. they need to be able to tell their supporters we got something out of this. the president is saying separate them. that's part of the reason why you have this battle. >> dig deeper into what you're saying, roland, 70% for democrats, 70% seem to suggest they are willing to see cuts in entitlements, house speaker john boehner says taxes remain a sticking points but there are reports that bainer is open to more revenues. is it time for democrats to give more on social security, medicare and medicaid? >> the president did so last year. if you ask republican leadership they
>> here's the deal, first of all for the audience, we talk about the fiscal cliff, it involves three things. first of all it deals with the bush tax cuts set to expire in december. it also deals with the debt ceiling, sequestration, there's three parts to it. the president is consistently saying i talked to people in his administration, saying look we want to deal first just with the tax cuts. republicans want to add the other pieces to it because they know it's hard to defend fighting...
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you see on one level at the abstract level, debt, deficits, fiscal cliff, and then a transition into the to-do list, which is where they would like to see effort. finally, with all of this battering that people have taken during this last few years of difficult economy, we gave voters -- will go to this question in detail -- which gave them a choice, short-term, pragmatic solutions to fix the problem or long-term visionary policies that will put us on the right track interestingly enough, people are thinker -- people are thinking longer term. it is different for different groups, but generally speaking, people are looking for a longer horizon. quickly, the mood of the country, you see the red track, the wrong track. you see it is still 50% believe the country is on the long track, but you see improvement since where we were in the middle class in the late fall of 2011. that is when it really bottomed out. that was around the time of the debt ceiling debate. only 32% of democrats said right direction in 2011. if you look at it, democrats are 77%. if you move to the left side of the sl
you see on one level at the abstract level, debt, deficits, fiscal cliff, and then a transition into the to-do list, which is where they would like to see effort. finally, with all of this battering that people have taken during this last few years of difficult economy, we gave voters -- will go to this question in detail -- which gave them a choice, short-term, pragmatic solutions to fix the problem or long-term visionary policies that will put us on the right track interestingly enough,...
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even as we are wrestling with trying to debt a handle on the fiscal cliff, we cannot lose sight of their urgent priority of making sure we have job growth -- job creation, to say the least. many of the components you have outlined -- that both of you have -- it comprised of the broad description of the fiscal cliff whether it is the expiring tax cut provisions, the expiring tax cut extensions, and spending cuts as well. if you consider more, which of those would you consider having the biggest bang for the buck in terms of economic impact of those that we are discussing here today? >> it is a given that we will extend the current tax rates for taxpayers that make less than $250,000 on an annual basis. that is absolutely necessary. when you consider the other things that are happening -- in terms of the bang for the buck, the emergency unemployment insurance program is very effective. it is small in the grand scheme of things. cbo is estimating it would costs per calendar year about $33 million. but the economic to bitty for job growth compared to the unemployment rate would be measurably
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speaker, on sunday the president and house speaker boehner met to discuss the impending fiscal cliff. the next day the president jetted off to michigan to campaign for tax increases instead of staying in washington to work on a possible plan. with a national debt of over $16 trillion, washington's out-of-control spending is placing our national security at risk. clearly spending is a threat with an increase of 93.5% over 10 years and revenues increased only 15.7%. raising taxes on the american economy will destroy jobs. reports have indicated that raising taxes on the top 2% will generate up to $80 billion a year. this amount of money covers less than 10% of our nation's annual deficits. it's my hope that the president will address the fiscal cliff to work with house republicans to promote small business job growth. in conclusion, god bless our troops and we will never forget september 11 and the global war on terrorism. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from illinois rise? mr. dold: to address the house for one minute and t
speaker, on sunday the president and house speaker boehner met to discuss the impending fiscal cliff. the next day the president jetted off to michigan to campaign for tax increases instead of staying in washington to work on a possible plan. with a national debt of over $16 trillion, washington's out-of-control spending is placing our national security at risk. clearly spending is a threat with an increase of 93.5% over 10 years and revenues increased only 15.7%. raising taxes on the american...
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one is that fiscal cliff, to is the debt ceiling. three is the so-called big deal that has to be done on our debt and deficit. of fortunately those issues, convoluted, especially in this town. they are distinct. the impact each other but they are distinct. this fiscal cliff is an artificial state. congress came in, said this law expires on this date. they extended it wants. they put in the sequestration. it is a date. all they have to do is extend the date and allow themselves time to discuss the issues. instead they are putting it all into a lame duck session. that is a problem. sometimes it leads to bad policy. the fiscal cliff can have real consequences. cbo has said that it would cause a recession if we were to go off the fiscal cliff. i do not dispute that i do point out that in 1993 when these taxes were first put in, many said they will cause a recession. they did not. the economy is improving on its own right now. and getting some much stronger. the impact of the fiscal cliff, while not something to be encouraged, may not be
one is that fiscal cliff, to is the debt ceiling. three is the so-called big deal that has to be done on our debt and deficit. of fortunately those issues, convoluted, especially in this town. they are distinct. the impact each other but they are distinct. this fiscal cliff is an artificial state. congress came in, said this law expires on this date. they extended it wants. they put in the sequestration. it is a date. all they have to do is extend the date and allow themselves time to discuss...
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the last eight or nine related principally to the fiscal cliff. we brought about 370 business leaders representing 32 different state the white house and the message that they're giving is pretty consistent with simpson bowles, consistent with fix the debt, consistent with how business voice is characterized in the media. they're anxious for the debt, they want certainty as quickly as possible. they tend to use simpson bowles as their frame of reference. the question is not which plan, republican plan or the democrat plan is better, it's which plan is closer to simpson boles and why? host: here's "the hill" newspaper. obama-friendly business groups given great access to the white house. guest: we bring business leaders from around the country to work on health care reform, immigration reform, the fiscal cliff, intellectual property protection and the business leaders are speaking for themselves. generally speaking, business leaders are centrists. they're data driven, results oriented. and they are looking for compromise in washington. state prooba
the last eight or nine related principally to the fiscal cliff. we brought about 370 business leaders representing 32 different state the white house and the message that they're giving is pretty consistent with simpson bowles, consistent with fix the debt, consistent with how business voice is characterized in the media. they're anxious for the debt, they want certainty as quickly as possible. they tend to use simpson bowles as their frame of reference. the question is not which plan,...
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does that need to be part of any agreement to appoint -- agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff? >> this is serious fiscal and tax policy. it is about the economic future of our country and making sure this country continues to be the greatest economy and the greatest country in the world. it is not a game. i am with the president on this one. we saw the response of the market in august with the republicans were willing to go off of the fiscal cliff. some of them are saying it now, not paying on our debt and jeopardize the full faith and credit of the united states. this is not a game. if we do not pay our bills and pay our debt, we are going to see interest rates going up. it is not where you make the decision about spending and the budget. you have already made those decisions. this is just about paying the bills. he gets is serious in this country. we have to get the deficit under control and begin to pay down the that feed -- pay down the debt. the last thing we want to do to what is an economic recovery, but a fragile one, we cannot go back to threatening consumer investment
does that need to be part of any agreement to appoint -- agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff? >> this is serious fiscal and tax policy. it is about the economic future of our country and making sure this country continues to be the greatest economy and the greatest country in the world. it is not a game. i am with the president on this one. we saw the response of the market in august with the republicans were willing to go off of the fiscal cliff. some of them are saying it now, not...
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even as we are wrestling with trying to debt a handle on the fiscal cliff, we cannot lose sight of their urgent priority of making sure we have job growth -- job creation, to say the least. many of the components you have outlined -- that both of you have -- it comprised of the broad description of the fiscal cliff whether it is the expiring tax cut provisions, the expiring tax cut extensions, and spending cuts as well. if you consider more, which of those would you consider having the biggest bang for the buck in terms of economic impact of those that we are discussing here today? >> it is a given that we will extend the current tax rates for taxpayers that make less than $250,000 on an annual basis. that is absolutely necessary. when you consider the other things that are happening -- in terms of the bang for the buck, the emergency unemployment insurance program is very effective. it is small in the grand scheme of things. cbo is estimating it would costs per calendar year about $33 million. but the economic opportunity for job growth compared to the unemployment rate would be measura
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not limited, as you discover, is worry about the debt and the fiscal cliff. our program today, just briefly, others will talk, and we will give the polling results, and then a senior national journal member will have a panel discussion. it is a terrific day, i think. please turn these off. and, again, i welcome you. joan is the executive vice president of the country's largest insurance. you are in good hands with all state. joan has been a terrific partner. she is responsible of corporate relations for allstate. she did civil -- similar work with monsanto and others. she is a consummate marketing and communications strategist, which is what washington is all about, so thank you very much and welcome. [applause] >> ok. thank you. john, for that introduction. the national journal has been a terrific partner in supporting our work and the challenges that the american middle-class has been facing during this great recession, and i thank them for that. many thanks also to end, who will take us through the polling data to date -- many thanks take us through the po
not limited, as you discover, is worry about the debt and the fiscal cliff. our program today, just briefly, others will talk, and we will give the polling results, and then a senior national journal member will have a panel discussion. it is a terrific day, i think. please turn these off. and, again, i welcome you. joan is the executive vice president of the country's largest insurance. you are in good hands with all state. joan has been a terrific partner. she is responsible of corporate...
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even as we are wrestling with trying to debt a handle on the fiscal cliff, we cannot lose sight of their urgent priority of making sure we have job growth -- job creation, to say the least. many of the components you have outlined -- that both of you have -- it comprised of the broad description of the fiscal cliff whether it is the expiring tax cut provisions, the expiring tax cut extensions, and spending cuts as well. if you consider more, which of those would you consider having the biggest bang for the buck in terms of economic impact of those that we are discussing here today? >> it is a given that we will extend the current tax rates for taxpayers that make less than $250,000 on an annual basis. that is absolutely necessary. when you consider the other things that are happening -- in terms of the bang for the buck, the emergency unemployment insurance program is very effective. it is small in the grand scheme of things. cbo is estimating it would costs per calendar year about $33 million. but the economic opportunity for job growth compared to the unemployment rate would be measura
even as we are wrestling with trying to debt a handle on the fiscal cliff, we cannot lose sight of their urgent priority of making sure we have job growth -- job creation, to say the least. many of the components you have outlined -- that both of you have -- it comprised of the broad description of the fiscal cliff whether it is the expiring tax cut provisions, the expiring tax cut extensions, and spending cuts as well. if you consider more, which of those would you consider having the biggest...
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- gets to the fiscal cliff. here's what we know. we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. that's not fixing our problem. frankly, it's making it worse. on top of that, the president wants to raise taxes on many small business owners. now, even if we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink as far as the eye can see. that's not fixing our problem either. it's making it worse and it's hurting our economy. i think the members know i'm an optimist. i'm hopeful we can reach an agreement. this is a serious issue and there's a lot at stake. the american people sent us here to work together toward the best possible solution and that means cutting spending. if the president doesn't agree with our approach, he's got an obligation to put forward a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress because right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wondering when is the president going to get serious. i yie
- gets to the fiscal cliff. here's what we know. we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. that's not fixing our problem. frankly, it's making it worse. on top of that, the president wants to raise taxes on many small business owners. now, even if we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink as far as the eye can see. that's not fixing our problem either. it's making it worse and it's hurting our...
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we have gone over the fiscal cliff here. we are billions of dollars in debt. democrats and the labor unions are bankrupting this state. so democrat parties are so good why are we bankrupt? don't you think it's time that the unions instead of spending billions of dollars on political campaigns, give that money back to the membership so they can pay their own way? and as taxpayers and people like me that live on a fixed income don't have to be taxed out of our homes and lose the money we work hard to make? host: mr. welch. guest: first of all you have worked hard and -- but a couple things. number one, i can't comment on the california situation. i just don't know enough about it. although the reports are things are starting to turn around a little bit there. and it's very tough to pass a budget when you've got that superis majority requirement. number two -- supermajority requirement. number two, how we got here, it's not unions. the wages for americans have been going down for the past 10, 15 years. people are not keeping up with inflation. the average america
we have gone over the fiscal cliff here. we are billions of dollars in debt. democrats and the labor unions are bankrupting this state. so democrat parties are so good why are we bankrupt? don't you think it's time that the unions instead of spending billions of dollars on political campaigns, give that money back to the membership so they can pay their own way? and as taxpayers and people like me that live on a fixed income don't have to be taxed out of our homes and lose the money we work...
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>> as part of these overall discussions on the fiscal cliff and maybe the debt keeling and -- keeling -- ceiling and roll all this together. >> i don't think the debt creelhags a play in -- place in all of this. i think we continue the mcconnell rule which says the president sends over, 2/3 of the congress ons then that is overturned -- obtains then that is overturned so we -- objects then that is overturned. that is holding hostage anything for the future. there are two steps we need to take. one is now, which by passing the middle income tax cut, the decoupling of that from the high-end tax cut is a liberation in terms of discussion on how we go forward. a package that recognizes that we have to establish priorities, that means value some investments more than others and make cuts, and make sure that what we -- judgments we make on revenue and judgments we make on cuts are all in furtherance of growth. in our economy. i have confidence in the sense of responsibility all of our colleagues have to our country, that we'll be able to reach an agreement. and again, not to make it a too c
>> as part of these overall discussions on the fiscal cliff and maybe the debt keeling and -- keeling -- ceiling and roll all this together. >> i don't think the debt creelhags a play in -- place in all of this. i think we continue the mcconnell rule which says the president sends over, 2/3 of the congress ons then that is overturned -- obtains then that is overturned so we -- objects then that is overturned. that is holding hostage anything for the future. there are two steps we...
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related to the fiscal cliff, the last eight or nine meetings. and business leaders representing 32 states we have brought to the white house. the message they're getting is pretty consistent with simpson- bowles and with fixing the debt and with how the business relationship is characterized in the media. they're anxious for debt deal, because they want certainty as quickly as possible. they tend to use simpson-bowles as their frame of reference. the question is not whether it's the democratic or republican plan is better, is which plan is closer to simpson-bowles. host: here is the hill newspaper -- guest: well, [indiscernible] what we do is bring business leaders from around the country to brief the president and his economic team, on health care reform to immigration reform, the fiscal cliff, intellectual property protection. and the business leaders are speaking for themselves. generally speaking, business leaders are centrists, data driven, results oriented. they are looking for compromise in washington. is it a pro-obama group or republica
related to the fiscal cliff, the last eight or nine meetings. and business leaders representing 32 states we have brought to the white house. the message they're getting is pretty consistent with simpson- bowles and with fixing the debt and with how the business relationship is characterized in the media. they're anxious for debt deal, because they want certainty as quickly as possible. they tend to use simpson-bowles as their frame of reference. the question is not whether it's the democratic...
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if you think the fiscal cliff has the potential to have a negative economic impact, and it does to a -- especially if you go far into january and beyond. but fooling around with the debt ceiling is catastrophic. i don't think our republican colleagues are going to gain any sympathy from the american public when they are threatening to tank the u.s. economy. i know all of you understand, but i think it is important that people following these discussions recognize that lifting the debt ceiling is not to borrow money to pay for new things. it is to pay for bills that the united states has already incurred, that congress has already voted on. it would be like getting up one morning and saying we're not going pay our mortgage or it is like if we all spend on the credit card, buying things we like, then we're not going pay the bill. so for the united states of america to wake up one morning and say we're not paying our bills would be economic catastrophic. >> does that rule skip operative or can you see a way that they can do the heavy lifting and you can get enough votes to get it over?
if you think the fiscal cliff has the potential to have a negative economic impact, and it does to a -- especially if you go far into january and beyond. but fooling around with the debt ceiling is catastrophic. i don't think our republican colleagues are going to gain any sympathy from the american public when they are threatening to tank the u.s. economy. i know all of you understand, but i think it is important that people following these discussions recognize that lifting the debt ceiling...
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what happens on generators the devotee saying it is the fiscal cliff. it was said to me last night it's not like a zombie apocalypse happens. i think in the historical sense that's right but if market confidence goes out the window either then or when the debt ceiling comes back up again, that could be very damaging for our economy. >> i think as and denney said, there is going to be some deal that's going to set a deadline for another deal next year. but it's really important like think that they not set up a whole series of opportunities to have that kind of collapse. if a couple nights of the apple but they need to make sure whatever they come up with less a significant period of time the question of housing to overstate especially from the smaller business startup perspective but those are companies that there will be a lot of job creation and it will grow very rapidly sometimes into large companies in a matter of a handful of years and they are not starting at the high rate at all right now. a big chunk of that is confidence. folks that starts the
what happens on generators the devotee saying it is the fiscal cliff. it was said to me last night it's not like a zombie apocalypse happens. i think in the historical sense that's right but if market confidence goes out the window either then or when the debt ceiling comes back up again, that could be very damaging for our economy. >> i think as and denney said, there is going to be some deal that's going to set a deadline for another deal next year. but it's really important like think...
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- gets to the fiscal cliff. here's what we know. we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. that's not fixing our problem. frankly, it's making it worse. on top of that, the president wants to raise taxes on many small business owners. now, even if we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink as far as the eye can see. that's not fixing our problem either. it's making it worse and it's hurting our...
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that any deal to avert the fiscal cliff must address serious entitlement reform. we should not let the discussion around taxes, which is sort of dominating the airwaves here in washington, distract us from the fact that washington has a spending problem, not a revenue problem. every independent expert who examined america's long-term structural fiscal dilemma comes to the same conclusion. entitlement programs are the drivers of our national debt over the long term. those who argue that we can dig our way out of a $16 trillion debt -- and counting, by the way -- by raising taxes are ignoring reality. according to the congressional budget office's most recent forecast, under the current tax rates, revenues over the next ten years will average roughly 18% of g.d.p. in other words, federal revenues will return to their historical average without raising taxes on anyone. i will repeat that, mr. president, because i think it's an important point. our tax revenues will go back up to average 18% over the next decade, which is the historical average. that happens with exis
that any deal to avert the fiscal cliff must address serious entitlement reform. we should not let the discussion around taxes, which is sort of dominating the airwaves here in washington, distract us from the fact that washington has a spending problem, not a revenue problem. every independent expert who examined america's long-term structural fiscal dilemma comes to the same conclusion. entitlement programs are the drivers of our national debt over the long term. those who argue that we can...
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arrangement for us until we get through this fiscal cliff issue. again, what i'd rather see happen is that we just deal with that all right now and we start off next year with people know that's done. since it looks like every day that goes by it looks like it's increasingly unlikely that that's going to happen, i wanted to offer a proposal today for the leadership of the senate and that is since it looks like the debt ceiling could be coming up early next year, as a matter of fact, it may coincide very closely with the continuing resolution so there's two, if you will, moments in time where we've got to make big decisions here for our country, i would offer that we go ahead and begin the process of the debt ceiling and i would make the proposal that the first roughly $1 trillion, $900 billion to $1 trillion in raises in the debt ceiling are accompanied by $900 billion to $1 trillion in cuts in entitlement spending to actually cause those programs to be solvent. i think all of us want to make sure that seniors in this country are protected, we know
arrangement for us until we get through this fiscal cliff issue. again, what i'd rather see happen is that we just deal with that all right now and we start off next year with people know that's done. since it looks like every day that goes by it looks like it's increasingly unlikely that that's going to happen, i wanted to offer a proposal today for the leadership of the senate and that is since it looks like the debt ceiling could be coming up early next year, as a matter of fact, it may...
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cliff. also, don't forget to explore the history and literary culture of new york capital city of albany this weekend. book tv is on c-span2 and american history to be on c-span three. >> coming up at 7:00 c-span will be lot of discussion unskilled immigrants. virginia senator mark warner is sponsoring a bill to allow more highly skilled veterans and to the u.s. >> we have had these this the five explosions of knowledge in madison, but we have not coordinated care. all the services that we have end up having some any cracks that the cracks are as harmful as the diseases that we are treating. we have to step back and ask, you know, are we hurting people overall? and income on a global level where we doing some times? and, of course, now we have to these reports saying 30 percent of everything we do may not be necessary in after. we will be step back, 30 percent of all the medications we prescribe, the tests we order, the procedures. this is something, i think, which is for the first time real
cliff. also, don't forget to explore the history and literary culture of new york capital city of albany this weekend. book tv is on c-span2 and american history to be on c-span three. >> coming up at 7:00 c-span will be lot of discussion unskilled immigrants. virginia senator mark warner is sponsoring a bill to allow more highly skilled veterans and to the u.s. >> we have had these this the five explosions of knowledge in madison, but we have not coordinated care. all the services...
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in order to avert fiscal disaster by not raising the debt ceiling. he said he won't indulge in that. unfortunately, the president has also said he won't use or threaten to use the implicit authority many constitutional scholars think the president has to ignore the debt ceiling because the 14th amendment provision that says the full faith and credit of the united states will not be questioned. >> eliot: i wanted to pick up on that threat because while i'm not persuaded you would win that argument, it is a powerful argument. why do you think the white house took that issue off the table? they certainly could have used it as a negotiating ploy lingering out there saying look, pursuant to the constitution you just cited the provision the president must act to protect the full faith and credit of the united states. therefore i -- why did he not use that as a more powerful weapon? >> i don't know, frankly. there are constitutional scholars who say that the debt ceiling is unconstitutional. just the idea of the debt ceiling is unconstitutional because it c
in order to avert fiscal disaster by not raising the debt ceiling. he said he won't indulge in that. unfortunately, the president has also said he won't use or threaten to use the implicit authority many constitutional scholars think the president has to ignore the debt ceiling because the 14th amendment provision that says the full faith and credit of the united states will not be questioned. >> eliot: i wanted to pick up on that threat because while i'm not persuaded you would win that...
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ceiling or -- and on the fiscal cliff? forget it. >> it was remarkable to see how this happened yesterday. i will read from john stanton's twitter feed our friend from business feed. i was there -- buzzfeed. his presence could push it over the edge. dole was there watching them vote. after he left the floor, he said the republicans very quietly got up, didn't vote from their desk. they got up quietly walked up to vote. he said that was remarkable because nobody wants that video in a commercial of them voting against bob dole, against people with disabilities. >> yeah, senator moran now, i forget his first name from texas who, i'm sorry from kansas jerry moran of kansas. i think he has the bob dole seat. he put out a press release with john mccain praising the treaty when it was first brought to the senate. he voted against it yesterday. these guys are courts and mean and they don't care. they don't care about the disabled either. my point is, again, this is the gang that the president has got to do business with. forget it
ceiling or -- and on the fiscal cliff? forget it. >> it was remarkable to see how this happened yesterday. i will read from john stanton's twitter feed our friend from business feed. i was there -- buzzfeed. his presence could push it over the edge. dole was there watching them vote. after he left the floor, he said the republicans very quietly got up, didn't vote from their desk. they got up quietly walked up to vote. he said that was remarkable because nobody wants that video in a...
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and they are just going to let the fiscal cliff thing take care of itself. i learned this recently, remember the sequester. >> yes. >> what a panic that was? >> yes. >> they can cancel that. they can say, we are not going to do t we are going to cancel it. just cancelling the budget cuts saying, never mind. >> that's it you know what? i haven't thought about it that way but sincition a creation of their own making? right? the creature of their own making, they can undo what they did. >> they can undo it. >> because it came about they said, so if our super committee doesn't reach an agreement, these draconian budget cuts are going to take place. now, they could say, we changed our mind. >> never mind. yeah, never mind or they could delay it three years or a year or whatever. but they don't have to. >> that's why we are not hearing about it t they will just, we will never mind that. >> bill: well, i think you may be right. i think they know they have lost the battle on the tax cuts. even if they don't get a 39.6, they will agree to 37 or 37 natural or whatever
and they are just going to let the fiscal cliff thing take care of itself. i learned this recently, remember the sequester. >> yes. >> what a panic that was? >> yes. >> they can cancel that. they can say, we are not going to do t we are going to cancel it. just cancelling the budget cuts saying, never mind. >> that's it you know what? i haven't thought about it that way but sincition a creation of their own making? right? the creature of their own making, they can...